Dear SmallIvy,
Hi,
I was curious what your opinion is on the minimum amounts to invest in stocks or funds? I’m currently 30 years old and threw some money into my IRA about 2 years ago and kind of spread things out into small amounts. I don’t know if there is such a thing as “too small to matter” and if I should sell those to combine a bigger sum and place into a fund?
For example, I have $300 in Apple, $200 in Air Lease Corp, $500 in FSPHX etc. Should I dump those and lump the remaining (some gained, some lost) into a reputable mutual fund? What would be your opinion on ETFs?
Warm Regards,
Jacqueline
Dear Jacqueline,
Generally, when I’m investing I like to invest $2,000-$3000 at a time if I’m buying individual stocks or ETFs. For example, I’ve been buying individual stocks and ETFs for my childrens’ educational IRAs, which have a $2,000 limit per year, so I just pick one stock or ETF to buy each year with the full $2,000. The next year I buy a different stock or ETF or add to a position I have. I also try to find investments that I plan to keep for 5-10 years or more so that I don’t lose money to fees by selling and buying again.
The issue with buying small amounts, because there are usually minimum brokerage fees charged, is that the brokerage fees become a large percentage of the amount you invest. For example, if the minimum fee is $25 and you buy $100 worth of stock, you’ve paid a 25% brokerage fee. If you buy $1000 worth of stock and still pay a $25 brokerage fee, you’ve only paid 2.5%.
Now that you have invested, however, to move it would create more cost, so you should probably stay where you are unless you decide you really don’t like one of these companies for a good reason. Instead, I would start building up cash a little each month and trying to put a couple of thousand per year (or more) into your IRA. You can then start to buy funds/ETFs. Note also that if you buy into an open-ended mutual fund, you may be able to add more money without paying additional fees. Many dividend-paying stocks with dividend reinvestment plans also offer this option.
It is great that you’ve started an IRA – that’s an important first step that unfortunately many people don’t take until they’re in their forties or later. That puts you ahead of the game already. The next step is to ramp it up a bit and make retirement savings one of your regular monthly activities. Start putting away whatever you can. Try to build this up, perhaps increasing the amount you contribute as you get raises, until you’re putting 10-15% of your paycheck away for retirement, which is enough to make sure you have a comfortable retirement. If you have a 401k available, invest enough there to get the company match, the switch to the IRA up to the max, then go back to the 401k if you still have not reached the 10-15% goal. If you don’t have a 401k, fund your IRA to the max and then start investing in a taxable account long term in stocks or growth mutual funds or ETFs such as S&P500 funds or ETFs since they have little turn-over so most of your money will compound anyway.
There is also such a thing as being too concentrated. Remember to spread things out. I’d never have more in an individual stock than I’d be willing to lose. I might start out with a portfolio consisting of just $2,000 in company XYZ, but I wouldn’t have a $20,000 portfolio invested in just XYZ. I would probably have $3,000 in three companies and then $11,000 in a couple of ETFs or mutual funds. Even with mutual funds and ETFs, I’d buy a couple of different kinds of funds – large caps and small caps, for example, and maybe mix some REIT funds and income funds into the mix as my portfolio grew in size.
Hope this helps!
SI
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This is a really is a really useful lesson. When I first started investing paid $14.95 per trade and bought in $500 lots. Now I pay $11 (prices have come down) and purchase much like you suggest SI, in $2000 + lots. This keeps brokerage fees at an acceptable level. One way I found to reduce my average brokerage on these small purchases was to buy more of the stock, provided it still appeared undervalued /fair value. In Jaqueline’s examples it might be buying another $2000 in Apple later this year. When it comes time to sell, say in 10-30 years, she’ll only pay once for brokerage, so her total brokerage charge would be averaged down to a reasonable % of her cost. Another plus is that the holding will now make a meaningful and similar contribution to her portfolio as her other future holdings.
I actually started investing when all there was was full service, so I’m used to paying $50+ per trade. It also cost more at that time to buy in odd lots – numbers not divisible by 100 – so I’m used to avoiding that. I’m actually still with a full-service broker, partly for the services they provide, partly out of sentimentality (it’s hard to “break up” with a broker), and partly out of inertia. The thing is, however, since I’m buying in large amounts for 10-20 years at a time, commissions don’t matter that much. It probably helps me to avoid overtrading.